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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQS);faqs.363
ipsc-managers
Contact: (machine) listserv@boxer.nas.nasa.gov
(human) jet@nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Purpose: Discussion of administrating the Intel iPSC line of parallel
computers.
To subscribe, send a message to listserv@boxer.nas.nasa.gov with a
*body* of "subscribe ipsc-managers your_full_name".
irchat
Contact: irchat-request@cc.tut.fi (Kai 'Kaizzu' Kein{nen)
Purpose: Discussion on irchat.el, a GNU Emacs interface to IRC,
the Internet Relay Chat.
isdn
Contact: isdn-request@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen)
Purpose: Discussion about ISDN and digital telephone in Germany
and Europe.
italian-cars
Contact: italian-cars-request@sol.crd.ge.com (richard welty)
-or- ...!uunet!sol.crd.ge.com!italian-cars-request
Purpose: discussion of italian-made automobiles
iti151
Contact: iti151-request@oce.orst.edu (Paul O'Neill)
{tektronix, hplabs!hp-pcd}!orstcs!oce.orst.edu!iti151-request
Purpose: For users of Imaging Technology's series 150 and 151 image
processing systems and ITEX151 software. The goal is to share
algorithms, code, tricks, pitfalls, advice, etc. in an effort to
decrease development time and increase functionality for the users
of these systems. (Also, despite their good support, we customers
may want to gang up on ITI someday!!)
Xref: bloom-picayune.mit.edu news.lists:2219 news.announce.newusers:948 news.answers:4664
Path: bloom-picayune.mit.edu!enterpoop.mit.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!stanford.edu!ames!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!ccsvax.sfasu.edu!menudo.uh.edu!sugar!arielle
Newsgroups: news.lists,news.announce.newusers,news.answers
Subject: Publicly Accessible Mailing Lists, Part III
Message-ID: <1992DecPt3@taronga.com>
From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:44:40 GMT
Reply-To: arielle@taronga.com
Followup-To: arielle@taronga.com
Expires: Fri, 19 Feb 1993 00:00:01 GMT
References: <1992DecPt2@taronga.com>
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Approved: arielle@taronga.com
Supersedes: <1992NovPt3@taronga.com>
Lines: 1077
Archive-name: mailing-lists/part3
[This is the third of four articles on mailing lists.]
janes-addiction
Contact: janes-addiction-request@ms.uky.edu (Joel Abbot)
Purpose: Discussion of the defunct music group Jane's Addiction
and its former member's current projects.
jargon-helpers
Contact: jargon-helpers-request@snark.thyrsus.com
Purpose: The jargon-helpers list is an email reflector that
supplements the ongoing public discussions of hacker jargon,
net.culture and the Jargon File on alt.folklore.computers.
If you have a continuing interest in these topics, you are
welcome to join. The list owner is the current Jargon File
editor. Members get to see new entries "in the raw" and a hand
in editorial policy.
jewish
Contact: avi_feldblum@att.com (Avi Feldblum)
Purpose: The mailing list provides a non-abusive forum for
discussion of Jewish topics with an emphasis on Jewish law.
Debates between Jews and non-Jews or between various factions of
Judaism should be posted to talk.religion.misc.
jpop
Contact: jpop-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Purpose: Discussion of Japanese popular music.
JudgeNet
Contact: judge-request@synchro.com (Chuck Cox - BJCP Master Judge)
Purpose: Discussion of beer judging and competition organization.
Please include your name, internet adderess, and judging rank (if
any) in your subscription request.
jump-in-the-river
Contact: jump-in-the-river-request@presto.ig.com (Michael C. Berch)
-or- {apple,ames,rutgers}!bionet!ig!jump-in-the-river-request
Purpose: Jump-in-the-river is a mailing list for the discussion of
the music and recordings of Sinead O'Connor, and related matters
such as lyrics, tour information. Unmoderated.
khoros
Contact: khoros-request@chama.unm.edu
Purpose: to discuss the khoros software package, developed by Dr.
Rasure, his staff, and his students at the University of New
Mexico. Khoros is an integrated software development environment
for information processing and visualization, based on X11R4.
killifish
Contact: killie-request@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Purpose: For people who keep and are interested in killifish, (family
cyprinodontidae).
kites
Contact:
(USA/Canada/Europe):
kites-request@harvard.harvard.edu harvard!kites-request
(Japan):
koscvax.keio.junet!kites-request
Purpose: This mailing list is for people interested in making,
flying, or just talking about all kinds of kites. Topics will (I
hope) include kite plans and construction techniques, reviews of
commercially available kites and plans, timely (or otherwise) human
interest notes, and talk about flying.
Kurt Goedel Society
Contact: kgs@csdec2.tuwien.ac.at
Purpose: The Kurt Goedel Society is setting up an electronic
mailing list for members and people interested in the activities
of Society. Information about the Goedel Colloquia, Calls for
Papers, the Collegium Logicum Lecture Series, the Newsletter, and
information from sister societies will be distributed. If you
would like to be included in the mailing list, or have any
questions, send an email to: kgs@csdec2.tuwien.ac.at
Kuharske Bukve
Contact: Kuharske-Bukve@IJS.AC.Mail.YU (Polona Novak & Andrej Brodnik)
Kuharske-Bukve@Uni-LJ.AC.Mail.YU
Purpose: "Kuharskve bukve" is a moderated mailing list published
weekly. Each issue brings one recipe previously tested by a member
of editorial board. The recipes are formated. Language in them is
Slovene only. The editors are happy to receive readers' opinions.
lang-lucid
Contact: lang-lucid-request@csl.sri.com (R. Jagannathan)
Purpose: Discussions on all aspects related to the language Lucid,
including (but not restricted to) language design issues,
implementations for personal computers, implementations for
parallel machines, language extensions, programming environments,
products, bug reports, bug fixes/workarounds.
lasnet
Contact: lasnet-request@emx.utexas.edu (Langston James Goree VI)
Purpose: To facilitate the exchange of information among scholars
doing research related to Latin America.
lds
Contact: lds-request@decwrl.dec.com -or- decwrl!lds-request
Purpose: a forum for members of The Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints (mormons) to discuss church doctrine, mormon
culture and life in general. Non-members are welcome to join, but
we're not interested in flame wars.
The Learning List
Contact: Learning-Request@sea.east.sun.com (Rowan Hawthorne)
Purpose: The Learning List is an electronic forum for discussing
child-centered learning. It is intended to provide a meeting
place in cyberspace in which to advance our understanding of the
processes of learning, and to share personal experiences and
practical suggestions to help in the great adventure we share
with our children.
Members must agree with the Charter of the Learning list to
subscribe. A copy of the Charter is available from the above
address.
liberal-judaism
Contact: faigin@aerospace.aero.org (Daniel Faigin)
Purpose: Non-judgemental discussions of liberal judaism (Reform,
Reconstructionist, Conservative, Secular Humanist, etc.) and
liberal jewish issues, its practices, opinions, and beliefs.
This list is moderated and is in digest format.
libernet
Contact: libernet-request@dartmouth.edu (Barry S. Fagin)
Purpose: Libernet is a Libertarian mailing list. The list is
available in two modes: as a mail reflector and as a digest.
LickVista
Contact: InfoVista-request@helios.ucsc.edu (Steve Allen)
Purpose: Discussion of the use and development of the Vista
astronomical data reduction package which originated at
Lick Observatory.
life-talking
Contact: life-talking-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Purpose: Discussion of the musical group Life Talking.
Lightwave
Contact: subscribe@xamiga.linet.org
Purpose: For Video Toaster users, supporting the NewTek 3D
object modeler/ray tracer and hardware involved in video
editing, such as time base correcters and VCR equipment. This
mail is echoed from another site.
Send subscription requests to subscribe@xamiga.linet.org using
this format:
#lightwave username@domain;
Linda
Contact: linda-users-request@cs.yale.edu
linda-users-request@yalecs.bitnet
{cmcl2,decvax,harvard}!yale!linda-users-request
Purpose: Discussion group for users and potential users of Linda
based parallel programming systems. Linda is a set of operators
that are added to various conventional programming languages to
produce a parallel programming language.
Linux-Activists
Contact: linux-activists-request@niksula.hut.fi (Ari Lemmke)
Purpose: Linux operating system hacking. Linux is now on a hackers
only stage. More information is available by FTP from nic.funet.fi:
/pub/OS/Linux/README.
List-Managers
Contact: Brent@GreatCircle.COM (Brent Chapman)
Purpose: There was a "Mailing Lists" workshop session at the
USENIX System Administration Conference (LISA VI) in Long Beach,
CA, on October 22, 1992. The participants in that workshop
expressed a desire for a mailing list for discussions of issues
related to managing Internet mailing lists, including (but not
limited to) software, methods, mechanisms, techniques, and
policies.
I've created the list as "List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM".
That address is a direct mail relector: all messages sent to
that address are immediately forwarded to the list. There is a
digestified version of the list available as "List-Managers-
Digest@GreatCircle.COM". The digestified version has exactly
the same messages as the direct version; the messages are
simply bundled into digests daily (or more frequently, if
traffic warrants). Both lists are unmoderated.
To join the List-Mangers mailing list, send the command
subscribe list-managers
in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM". If
you want to subscribe something other than the account the
mail is coming from, such a a local redistribution list, then
append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example,
to subscribe "local-list-managers":
subscribe list-managers local-list-managers@your.domain.net
To subscribe to the digestified version, substitute "list-
managers-digest" for "list-managers" in the examples above.
Llajta
Contact: readingj@cerf.net (John Reading)
Purpose: Llajta exists for the discussion of any and all topics
relating to Bolivia. All communication regarding the list is
sent to readingj@cerf.net and messages are redistributed manually
as needed.
Logo
Contact: logo-friends-request@aiai.ed.ac.uk
Purpose: Discuss the Logo computer language.
lojban
Contact: lojban-list-request@snark.thyrsus.com (John Cowan)
Purpose: To use, discuss, and contribute to the development of the
constructed human language called Lojban (known in earlier
versions as Loglan). Lojban has a grammar based on predicate
logic, and vocabulary built from the six most widely spoken human
languages. It is intended as a tool for experimental linguistics,
as a medium for communication with computers, and as a possible
international auxiliary language.
Lojban-list is an unmoderated mail reflector. New subscribers are
asked to send their postal mailing addresses as well, so that they
can be placed on the mailing list of The Logical Language Group,
Inc., a non-profit organization. The postal mailing list provides
materials that are useful in learning about the language.
Lojban-list and LLG, Inc. are in no way affiliated with The Loglan
Institute, Inc., or with James Cooke Brown, the founder of Loglan.
lotus-cars
Contact: lotus-adm%esprit.uucp@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Purpose: For anyone interested in cars made by Lotus, now or
in the past.
lute
Contact: lute-request@sunapee.dartmouth.edu (Wayne B. Cripps)
Purpose: For lute players and researchers of lute music.
MachTen
Contact: MachTen-request@tenon.com (Leonard Cuff)
Purpose: Discuss topics of interest to users of MachTen, a Mach/BSD
Unix for all Macintoshes from Tenon Intersystems. This includes
programming tips and examples, configuration questions, and discussion
of problems and workarounds. People not currently using MachTen and
wanting either general information or specific questions answered
should not subscribe, but write to info@tenon.com.
macgyver
Contact: shari@cc.gatech.edu (Shari Feldman)
Purpose: To discuss current and previous MacGyver episodes. We
also discuss what is currently happening with the main and
reoccuring actors on the show.
mac-security
Contact: mac-security-request@world.std.com (David C. Kovar)
Purpose: This mailing list is for people interested in Macintosh
security. This can be used to:
* Discuss existing security problems in various Macintosh applications.
* Discuss security applications, hardware, and solutions.
* Discuss potential problems and their solutions.
* Just about anything else related to Macintosh security and
access control.
With the arrival of System 7.0 and it's wealth of information
sharing facilities, Macintosh security has entered a new era.
Originally you only had to worry about someone getting into your
Macintosh via the keyboard, or stealing it outright. Now it's much
easier to browse through information on someone else's Macintosh
over the network.
magic
Contact: magic-request@crdgw1.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Purpose: The MAGIC mailing list is for the discussion of sleight of hand and
the art of magic. Membership to the list is restricted, as
people who are merely curious are not encouraged to join.
You must fill out a questionaire to qualify.
manchester
Contact: manchester-request@irss.njit.edu -or-
uunet!irss.njit.edu!manchester-request (Eric Ng)
Purpose: This list is primarily a forum where people interested in
bands representative of the "Manchester" sound can get together for
discussion. Examples of bands being discussed here include the Stone
Roses, Happy Mondays, Inspiral Carpets, the Charlatans, 808 State,
Northside, etc. The definition of the Manchester sound is vague at
best: use your best judgement when trying to determine if a group
falls under the aegis of Manchester.
Both list and weekly digest formats are available.
mardi-gras
Contact: mail-server@mintir.new-orleans.la.us
elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Purpose: A list for discussion of any and all aspects of the
annual Carnival celebration held in New Orleans, Louisiana.
To subscribe, send a message to mail-server@mintir.new-orleans.la.us
with the folliwng in the body: SUBSCRIBE MARDI-GRAS.
martial-arts
Contact: martial-arts-request@dragon.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven Miller)
Purpose: The martial arts mailing list is for discussion on
various aspects of the martial arts. This includes teaching and
training techniques, martial arts philosophy, self-defense,
traditional and non-traditional styles, among others.
Masonic Digest
Contact: ptrei@mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Purpose: The Masonic Digest is a moderated forum for discussion of
Free Masonry, affiliated groups, and other fraternal orders. As
moderator, I do not pass on ay message which contains or purports to
contain material I am obliged to conceal, or which I believe members
of other orders are obliged to conceal. Within that restriction, I am
as liberal as possible. Postings from non-Masons are welcome. So
is criticism, as long as it is reasoned and in good taste.
MasPar
Contact: mp-users@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Lee Iverson)
Purpose: We have no restrictive charter, so are open to any and
all discussions of hardware/software issues surrounding the use of
the MasPar MP-1 class of parallel SIMD machines. These machines
have a full-featured data-parallel instruction set and are
programmable in Fortran90 and MPL, a K&R C with parallel data
types.
Matlab
Contact: matlab-users-request@mcs.anl.gov (Chris Bischof)
Purpose: Discussion group for users and potential users of the
MATLAB numeric computation software from The MathWorks. MATLAB is
an interactive matrix-oriented product for linear algebra, digital
signal processing, equation solving, control system design, and
other engineering and scientific applications. This mailgroup is
administered by the independent MATLAB User Group.
mazda-list
Contact: mazda-list-request@ms.uky.edu (Joel Abbott)
Purpose: Technical correspondance and discussion of
Mazda-designed vehicles.
MC68HC11
Contact: mc68hc11-request@elden.cse.nau.edu (Nick Sayer)
Purpose: Discussions about the Motorola MC68HC11 family of
microcontrollers.
medphys
Contact: medphys-request@radonc.duke.edu
Purpose: An attempt to foster electronic communication between
medical physicists, open to interested others. Medical physics is
a somewhat opaque but widely used synonym for radiological physics
-- the physics of the diagnostic and therapeutic use of radiation
in medicine. At present most of the subscribers are involved in
radiotherapy.
Melissa Etheridge
Contact: Etheridge-request@krylov.cnd.mcgill.ca
Purpose: The purpose of this list is to discuss Melissa Etheridge
and her music.
melrose-place
Contact: melrose-place-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Purpose: Discussion of the Fox TV show "Melrose Place."
men
Contact: mail-men-request@usl.com (Marcel Franck Simon)
or att!usl!mail-men-request.
Purpose: This digested mailing list discusses "men's issues."
Both women and men may join. Mail-men is a place where men and
women can discuss men's issues in an atmosphere of openness and
support. Men's issues are those problems and experiences that
affect male humans.
mensatalk
Contact: mensatalk-request@psg.com (Ed Wright)
Purpose: For members (only) of Mensa.
miata
Contact: miata-request@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andy S Poling)
Purpose: This list was formed when it became evident that there
was a growing body of enthousiastic Mazda Miata owners. There are
no rules governing what you can and cannot post to the list - it
is an open forum.
military
Contact: military-request@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)
Purpose: Discussion of military technology, and related issues.
This group is gatewayed to and from the Usenet newsgroup
sci.military; all postings to the group are echoed to the list,
and vice-versa. Both the group and list are moderated to
prevent political flammage.
miniatures
Contact: bell@cs.unc.edu or ...!mcnc!unc!bell (Andrew Bell)
Purpose: The Miniatures Digest is a courtesy of Andrew Bell. It is
a forum for the discussion of painting, converting, and sculpting
of miniature figures.
Minor League Baseball
Contact: minors-request@medraut.apple.com (Chuq von Rospach)
Purpose: Issues affecting the minor league, including new stadium
standards, minor league franchise status and changes, road trips
and groups, schedules, team and league status, players and teams to
watch, collectibles, and anything else of importance about minor
league baseball.
model-horse
Contact: model-horse-request@xzact.com (Darci L. Chapman)
Purpose: Discussion of the model horse hobby. All aspects of
showing (live and photo), collecting, remaking/repainting for
all breeds and makes are discussed. All ages and levels of
experience welcome.
Modesty Blaise
Contact: thomas@smaug.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Purpose: Discussion and information exchange centered on Peter
O'Donnell's _Modesty Blaise_ books and comics, such as characters,
plot, artists, relevant articles, etc.
mr2-interest
Contact: mr2-interest-request@validgh.com (David Hough)
Purpose: Discussion of Toyota MR2's, old and new.
MST3K
Contact: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Purpose: MST3K is a moderated mailing list for fans of the
television show "Mystery Science Theater 3000", which is shown on
the Comedy Channel (available on various cable networks in North
America). Requests to be added/deleted and submissions for the
list itself should be sent to the address above; please include
"mst3k" somewhere on the "Subject:" line of each message to ensure
that it is filed correctly. Archives of the list are maintained,
but are not FTP'able yet.
mtxinu-users
Contact: dunike!mtxinu-users-request
mtxinu-users-request@nike.cair.du.edu
Purpose: Discussion and bug fixes for users of the 4.3+NFS release
from the Mt. Xinu folks.
MUD
Contact: jwisdom@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joseph Wisdom)
Purpose: If you are new in the MUD world, or are simply looking
for new places to get into, try subscribing to Internet Games
MUD-List today! Make sure to include the string "mud list" in the
subject header.
Multicast
Contact: Multicast-Request@Arizona.EDU (Joel Snyder)
Purpose: For Discussion of multicast and broadcast issues in
an OSI environment. Archives of the list and a database of
contributed documents are also available on Arizona.EDU.
Music-Research
Contact: Music-Research-Request@prg.oxford.ac.uk (Stephen Page)
Purpose: The Music-Research electronic mail redistribution list
was established after a suggestion made a meeting on Oxford in
July 1986, to provide an effective and fast means of bringing
together musicologists, music analysts, computer scientists, and
others working on applications of computers in music research.
As with any forum for discussion, there are certain subject areas
which are of particular interest to the group of people on this
list. Initially, the list was established for people whose chief
interests concern computers and their applications to music
representation systems, information retrieval systems for mucial
scores, music printing, music analysis, musicology and
ethnomusicology and tertiary music education. The following
areas are not the principal conern of this list, although
overlapping subjects may wewll be interesting: primary and
secondary education, sound generation techniques and composition.
Articles on electronic music, synthesizers, MIDI, etc, will be
rejected at the request of the readers of the list.
musicals
Contact: musicals-request@world.std.com (Elizabeth Lear Newman)
Purpose: This forum is intended for the general discussion of
musical theater, in whatever form it make take, but related
non-musical theater topics are welcome too. 90% of the traffic is
the musicals-related flow from the newsgroup rec.arts.theatre.
mustangs
Contact mustangs-request@cup.hp.com (Gary Gitzen)
or hplabs!hpda!mustangs-request
Purpose: To discuss/share technical issues, problems, solutions,
and modifications relating to late model (~1980+) Ford Mustangs.
Some issues may also be relevant to other Fords. Flames and "my
car is faster than your car" mailings are discouraged.
mystery
Contact: mystery-request@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Thomas Krueger)
Purpose: Mystery is a mailing list for mystery and detective
fiction. Reviews of works and discussions of plot,
characterization, and other aspects will be discussed. The medium,
whether novel, movie, or television series, is unimportant.
NA-net
Contact: na.join@na-net.ornl.gov
Purpose: Numerical analysis discussions. To join the NA-NET send
mail and in the message body specify the following three fields in
any order:
Lastname:
Firstname:
E-mail:
NativeNet
Contact: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Purpose: To provide information about and to discuss issues
relating to indigenous people around the world, and current
threats to their cultures and habitats (e.g. rainforests).
navnews
Contact: navnews@nctamslant.navy.mil
Purpose: E-mail distribution list for the weekly Navy News
Service (NAVNEWS), published by the Navy Internal Relations
Activity in Washington. NAVNEWS contains official news and
information about fleet operations and exercises, personnel
policies, budget actions, and more. This is the same news
service which is distributed through Navy circuits to ships at
sea and to shore commands around the world. Subscriptions to
NAVNEWS by e-mail are available at no charge to anyone with a
mailbox on any network reachable through the Internet.
Ncube
Contact: ncube-users-request@cs.tufts.edu (David Krumme)
Purpose: Exchange of information among people using NCUBE parallel
computers.
NERaves
Contact: ne-raves-request@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Adams)
Purpose: The NERaves list was started as a North Eastern United
States/Canada equivalent of SFRaves. The list provides a forum
for people to discuss the "rave" music/club/dance scene. For the
purposes of the list, "North Eastern" is loosely defined as from
Chicago --> East and from Washington DC --> North, including
Ontario, Quebec, and the Mritime Provinces. People from outside
this area are welcome, too! NERaves is an unmoderated list.
Nerdnosh
Contact: nerdnosh-request@scruz.ucsc.edu (Tim Bowden)
Begun as a breakfast club for local nerds and writers in Santa
Cruz, CA, US, it has expanded into an international forum about
where, how, and why we live where we do. Think of it as a
universsal camp town meeting in M F K Fisher shades and Jack
Kerouac tones. Frivolous, friendly, and informative, in roughly
that order.
netblazer-users
Contact: netblazer-users-request@telebit.com
Purpose: To provide an unmoderated forum for discussions among
users of Telebit NetBlazer products. Topics include known
problems and workarounds, features discussions, and configuration
advice.
NetJam
Contact: netjam-request@xcf.berkeley.edu) Craig Latta
Purpose: NetJam provides a means for people to collaborate on musical
compositions, by sending Musical Instrument Digital Interface (MIDI)
and other files (such as MAX patchers and notated scores) to each
other, mucking about with them, and resending them. All those with
MIDI-compatible (and other interesting) equipment, access to emailing
and compression facilities and to the Internet and who are interested
in making music are encouraged to participate.
Please email netjam-request@xcf.berkeley.edu with the subject line
"request for info".
Network-Audio-Bits
Contact: Murph@Maine.BITNET (Michael A. Murphy)
Purpose: Network Audio Bits & Audio Software Review is a
bi-monthly electronic magazine that features reviews of and
information about current rock, pop, new age, jazz, funk, folk and
other musical genres. A mixture of major label artists and
independent recording artists can be found reviewed in these
'pages'.
neuron
Contact: neuron-request@cattell.psych.upenn.edu (Peter Marvit)
Purpose: Neuron-Digest is a moderated list (in digest form)
dealing with all aspects of neural networks (and any type of
network or neuromorphic system). Topics include both
connectionist models (artificial neural networks) and biological
systems ("wetware"). Back issues and limited software is
available via FTP from cattell.psych.upenn.edu. The Digest is
gatewayed to USENET's comp.ai.neural-nets.